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Post Posted: 24-04-2019, 02:45:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Si i've got gear for all the specs, maybe not bis but close enough, 53 60 53 traits, and 940+ ilvl for the weapons (relics could be better but eh). no 4p set yet.
My conclusions are:

outlaw = great aoe and good ST dps with bracers (5buffs makes you a god)
subtlety = best ST dps and good aoe with the legendary cloak. (has the least bugs for now).
assassination = shit unless poison bomb procs. Let's talk about this.

From the best spec all the way to the worst. why does it suck? it is clearly bugged, but what is missing?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/np4tVZjCNgk8GBRY#fight=29&&type=damage-done
928-930 ilvl so nothing too exceptional.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/13/#partition=1&&class=Rogue&&spec=Assassination (yes, best gear and buffs, but still)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/13/#partition=1&&class=Rogue&&spec=Subtlety&&difficulty=4&&bracket=23(sub for comparison)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/13/#partition=1&&class=Rogue&&spec=Outlaw&&difficulty=4&&bracket=23




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Post Posted: 24-04-2019, 02:50:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

You're gonna have to be a bit more specific

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Post Posted: 24-04-2019, 03:25:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

assassination does less dps than expected on freakz with decent stats. why?
looking at bug reports there is nothing major wrong with the spec, so maybe it's something not so obvious.
i know dots are not bursty but warlocks are doing fine.

Update @ 24-04-2019, 03:25:26

https://imgur.com/a/bPHCCDA
here's a dummy test, mythic+ dungeons are similar. assassination is way behind, not even with execute bracers can it match the other two in ST dps.




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Post Posted: 24-04-2019, 12:27:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Just saying it's doing low dps so it must be bugged is pointless. If you think something is not working correctly give us some ideas and we will see.

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Post Posted: 24-04-2019, 17:58:11 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://www.freakz.ro/forum/Rogue-Assassination-Deadly-Poison-vs-Mutilate-t551184.html
probably this has a bigger impact than i thought, since it translates into lower kingsbane cd and higher kb damage. and more instant poison procs.




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Post Posted: 25-04-2019, 13:51:37 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I think the spec is doing fine,the thing is ,the AP removal in 7.2.5 really hit the spec hard and making it good only for cleave fights or m+ since now u wear deadly poison all the time ..and regarding outlaw..its not that good ST ...I play sub and not even one outlaw rogue managed to get close to my dps on ST and on aoe the specs are almost equal if played right.
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Post Posted: 03-05-2019, 13:08:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ok im not that geared or something and all i do is lfr but other specs in raid are mby 1-3% ahead in dps and thats around 910 ilvl, so i dont feel like i should reroll from assas spec to different, since again learning, tuning gear etc
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> Warcraftlogs for ToS in 7.2.5, assa scores the lowest overall in that raid. If your dps feels low, it's because blizzard wasn't very nice to us this patch. No worries, in 7.3.5 assa will be much stronger than sub (not in m+ it seems, idk why that is), and many fotm players will probably again reroll in antorus. Don't switch class/spec just because you feel like you're not topping the meters. I am sticking to assa because it's hella fun, way more so than sub and outlaw is (for me personally).

On the plus side, if you're rolling with a healer in 2s, assa will probably be your go-to spec. Unfortunately, in bgs, sub is dominant purely from the flag/orb carrier/healer kill potential.

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Post Posted: 11-05-2019, 19:35:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

klender44 wrote:


> Warcraftlogs for ToS in 7.2.5, assa scores the lowest overall in that raid. If your dps feels low, it's because blizzard wasn't very nice to us this patch. No worries, in 7.3.5 assa will be much stronger than sub (not in m+ it seems, idk why that is), and many fotm players will probably again reroll in antorus. Don't switch class/spec just because you feel like you're not topping the meters. I am sticking to assa because it's hella fun, way more so than sub and outlaw is (for me personally).

On the plus side, if you're rolling with a healer in 2s, assa will probably be your go-to spec. Unfortunately, in bgs, sub is dominant purely from the flag/orb carrier/healer kill potential.

yea currently assa dps is quite pathetic, dont think mutilate-dead poison bug can improve dps by 50-100k
btw what kind of buff assa got in 7.3.5 ?

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Post Posted: 12-05-2019, 21:39:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Don't underestimate the mutilate-poison bug. I honestly didn't know mutilate applied deadly poison, but if it does consider how many mutilates you get on average in a kingsbane window. What is it, 5/6? If both MH and OH proc deadly, then that corresponds to 10/12*15% (150%/180%) kingsbane dmg bonus increase on average. My kingsbane ticks already go as high as 2M on a sunny day, imagine the difference this would make on an ability I can use every 35/40sec for ST.

As far as why assassination is the top rogue spec in antorus, I'm pretty sure it mostly (if not only) has to do with the T21 set bonus. The 2P set bonus give your poisons an increased 35% crit chance for 6sec after using envenom. The real MVP is the 4P set bonus:


Now imagine you have a passive 25% crit chance (which is easily obtainable). Now you'll have 60% to gain 3 energy each time deadly procs. I don't really know the base RPPM of deadly poison (haste of auto attacks, poison application chance etc.), but considering envenom increases deadly proc chance by 30%, I believe the 4P will probably be your main energy regeneration contributor. At least the dead-time for assa will be heavily reduced with T21.



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